Support Ramdev Baba's satyagraha against corruption
As most of you may be knowing Ramdev Baba is going to fast till death from 4th june onwards. The reason for the fast is corruption and black money in india. His demands are that all black money stashed in Foreign banks should be brought back to india, ban high- denomination money as they facilitates corruption and award death sentence to the corrupt. Though the last demand is a bit far-fetched other two demands i think are very necessary. So if you support Baba ramdevs efforts pls take some steps to show it . Thank you. Jai hind! Jai bharat!.
Reason: opinion difference
u make sense...so where do we go from here?...now that the forerunners of the bill has shown their side of the coin?
but i still believe that to fite corruption, we should analyse ourselves to see how we are contributing towards it and get that out our system before we go into that fite...forget the past...its dead...iam saying , if u and me says that we are not going to put up with it, neither are we going to contribute towards it, even in its smallest way...then we are r in a position to fite...otherwise we are being hypocrates...
u do understand what iam saying, sir ( i refuse to call u fool)...?
start with ourselves...thats the easiest part to change...then bring the fite outside...
what we are actually fighting against is not corruption but integrety..i dont want to sound like i do know...but thts how i feel ...
so the question remain...
i hope ur father gets what he wants, which is rightfully his, without having to grease anyones palm...
this is not a sepoy mutiny...this is political and it has agendas...agendas that may not be visible to people like us..if this movement was initiated by a common man, taken up by common men, and became a deluge , this wud make a difference...it still can..
we shud fite corruption at every level...to begin we shud refuse to participate in it...we shud refuse to give bribes, to find the easy way to get our things done....we , as individuals shud make the first stand...
this movement wont die...we shud not let it...but we shud see beyond the ramdevs and the parties with their own axes to grind...so a blind belief in one person is not a wise move...
but iam thankful to them for shining the light upon a big problem that exist in India...
iam also confident that we will overcome this....think abt it....look how far we have come in such a short while...
never loose sight of that...nothing is going to happen that we dont want it to happen.
@tys - Do you seriously beleive our freedom fighters dd not have agendas? At lease Nehru and Jinnah definitely had political agendas. All this refuse to give bribe and all in the current ste up is just a joke. My father is trying to get some family tree from a government office without a bribe and its been months and he is still only trying. These stupid democratic institutions do not work by themselves. Struggles like Anna Hazare's only will yield results. Of course I am not for blind faith in Ramdev or RSS. Just that us common men must not loose focus by talking about negative aspects of Ramdev and RSS etc. We can do that later. But now whoever supports the Lok Pal bill should keep focus on maintaining pressure on the government. Even Ramdev is bringing too many other issues in here and trying to shift focus. That I do not like. Black money is a seperate issue to be taken up separately and issue of higher education in Indian languages is a politically non controversial issue to be take up on some other forum.
+1 i agree
rite now we must not see people and divide ourselves but we should see the cause and unite to fite against it
I am neither the supporter of Govt nor Baba but just go through the demands of Baba Ramdev..Apart from two or three ..rest are illogical and ridiculous. A corruption India is in all of our dreams, but we, the common people are directly or indirectly promoting corruption. We have enough rules and regulations to stop corruption but we don't want to implement it. Do you think that "capital punishment" can stop corruption?
How many of among as are asking bills after purchasing an item from our local shops? Let's start the strike against corruption from the root level. In a broader sense we all are equally responsible for this situation.
We must live in the reality not in an Utopian world.
supporting the man is a different thing and supporting a cause is a different thing...however the movement has turned upside down,,,that's a different thing,,,,m telling dis again and again that we shud unite for a cause and not divide ourselves over a person..thats it!
and what govt is not at all justifiable....y are we forgetting it?
what pramod , i believe , is trying to say is that we are beginning to see the purpose behind the drama.
the magnificent creation of another us and them...
love this...
what can I say, swati ji, people have to be intelligent enuf to see the things, not just carrying on with mob attitude.
and all this doesn't come free, it needs blood, blood of innocent citizens. that's what I see.
can't see what other's see.
:D baba u lead... and we shall follow... why? cos its so much easier than to use our brains! :D
You should keep yourself updated. Later it was explained that people are not been recruited for forming a small army. Do you think they are such fools? It will be a group of people who will be given yoga, pranayam training and will be thought self defence arts like karate, judo, kusti etc and this group of people will try to teach this things to general public so that they can be ready to defend themselves from the government brutality. You don't care because nobody close to you was there at ramlila maidan. If such thing would happen in some european country like france the full country would be outraged and the government would pay highly for that
sir with all due respect. a public announcement was later made by one of his aides explaining everything. you may find it interesting to read.
Sir nobody has time and interest to change ur opinion. But we would appriciate if you first take look at all the facts, check if their up to date and then comment. That way other's opnion won't get manipulated.
guys,,,,don't divide urslef over an opinion over a single person...jst unite for a cause....thats wat m trying to say in all my previous posts
i am really sorry to have disturbed you mayur. I too don't have any time either, you won't see me on your thread again.
As you wish sir. Also i would like to make it clear that, starting a thread doesn't give me right to judge any people and their opinions. i started this thread just to bring this matter to peoples notice so they can take interest in it. My only request was to pls verify the facts before commenting. Thank you
I'd love arguing with you guys here.
But first i'd like you all to know where i stand on these issues.
Pls take some time out and read these articls frm my blog. And then v can debate all v want ! :)
http://badabingbadabambadaboom.wordpress.com/2011/06/03/babaramdev/
http://badabingbadabambadaboom.wordpress.com/2011/06/05/india-democracy-hahahahaha/
http://badabingbadabambadaboom.wordpress.com/2011/06/08/same-old-same-old/
I know it's not right to post these links here. But i really want you all to read 'em cos its totally worth the read.
but i really do think that this anticorruption movement shud be kept active....it shud not be allowed to rest...but this fasting bit is done onto death...how abt something more creative and daring?...how abt exposing the people doing it...ordinary people recording any such activities and putting it up on a site...a name and same thing...nothing like fear of being caught for people to walk a straight line...
Thats what m saying...you are only explaining the whole thing in more detailed manner....media is full of corrupted people ...lets b honest in that...they support those who give them benefits...in such a scenario...if we cannot do anything constructive to create mass awareness about voting and corrutipn...then we must stand and support others who are doing it (who have large following especially those who do not come out and vote...Baba is providing a good TG)
If educated people like us will join such causes then definitely we can create awareness about the issue (if baba is doing it or not),,,atleast we hav a platform and we ca use it for good of teh country.
(u support fast or baba is a different thing...but come out in open to support the cause)
You really got the essence of this topic. From long i am trying to explain that people will always try to take advantage of such situations. Like BJP is taking on the police brutality issue. But his doesn't mean that we should drop the whole movement because of some oppurtinists.
Then please can anyone tell what has actually happened on the issue? and why nothing has been done on Black money and corruption since so many years.,,,except crying on the issue? and flaws are there wid everyone...the governemnt is full of people who had loads of cases on them.....den y do we bring them to power?
The point here is not supporting the fast...but to support the cause by extending your support to someone who atleast is bringing this issue to light. What happened on that night should be a warning to evryone that if do not STAND up now,,,,government can do anything to curb those who will stand against its decisions.
We don't really bring them to power. Tally the population count we have in our country (18+ only) against people who are honestly voting. Does it even cross 50%? Democracy is ineffective in getting a proper leader appointed or removed. On top of it, media takes sides as if L.K. Advani is Magneto, Manmohan being Charles Xavier of the X-men.
Congress has the religion trum card which they play every ellection. In 2004 lok sabha election they did the same thing. BJP headed by atal bihari vajpayee had a wonderful economic record. The inflation was lowest in its tenure, IT sector boomed bringing india to international forefront, highways were build and many other basic civil facilty projects where undertaken. It was really a "shinning india". Yes there were some minor flaws but nothing in this world is perfect. Everybody expected BJP to win and continue this dream run. But again congress played its religion card well. And a puppet in form of manmohan singh was presented to us. From then onward india's progress has been declining. If you look at states wihtout the upa government you will notice they are progressing more rapidly then other states like gujrat, bihar, uttarakhand etc. According to me narendra modi is the best option for PM of india. we need a dynamic leader like him.
Religion has a role agreed, but if you remember... it was the "aam admi" focus of the congress that helped it to win...
Same thing happened when TDP's Chandrababu Naidu lost... nobody expected that. But, we have to recognise that IT sector growth doesnt really trickle down to the grassroots... and it is the grassroots from where the votes come. The beneficiaries of growth are not voting actively... and also happen to be much fewer in numbers... "India Shining" campaign failed as it focused on the upwardly mobile middle class... the class which is often too busy, too preoccupied and too happy to vote.
Keeping the grassroots factor in mind, UPA initiated NREGA, NRHM, etc... that's why Rahul Gandhi keeps trying to mix with the aam admi :-/ If it was all about religion, he would've just mixed with muslims no? The whole idea is to capture the votes of the downtrodden...
"Am admi" my ass. congress has always won on the religion basis. So you say rahul gandhi visits am admi but if you notice he always goes to people belonging to sc and st. And having dinner and sleeping one night at a peasants house doesn't mean he has bounded with the am admi. And why are you taking only the IT growth into consideration. During BJP rule the inflation was one of the lowest all food items were very cheap i still remember when our family use to buy the whole months food items once because it was that cheap and nobody use to care if you buy extra because it was that cheap. but today go to buy 1 kilo of dal and you will get a concussion hearing the price. Many have suggested BJP lost because onion price rised too much but what about today mostly all food items are highly charged. And my opinion is that economic development is the most important of the developments. If economy is stable all things falls in place. You can see what economic instability is doing to usa. Then you say congress has initated nrega, nrhm but do you see them implimented? it is very easy to start such schemes giving them names of great people and it is other thing to impliment them. BJP started National Highways Development Project and sarv shiksha abhiyan and they are very successfully implented. There are 2 sarv shiksha abhiyan schools in our small locality itself. In conclusion congress is nothing but symbol of racism, bribery etc
@Mayur, I don't know if Aam admi is your "ass" or not, but I do hope our politicians don't have that attitude.
I agree Rahul Gandhi visits SC/ST. But are they outside the purview of "aam admi"? Or do we entitle someone as "aam" on the basis of caste/religion? Rahul is an exhibitionist and plays on vote bank politics. If religion was such a huge issue then I don't understand why a hindu majority nation would ever have a non hindutva party in power in the first place.
I agree to the failure of UPA to curb inflation (Majboor MMS, wake up now!), but it is unfortunate that votes typically do not follow GDP growth rates. The sectoral composition of economic growth is crucial. Notice that the period of NDA rule was also the period of decelerating groth rates in agriculture, and given the huge population engaged in primary sector activities, it is anybody's guess as to which India was shining. Are we in a better position today? The agrarian crises healed somewhat (though I cannot credit UPA for this!)There have been (read promises) schemes like NREGA which have injected purchasing power (inspite of significant leakages), if you want data/details contact me on ruhisonal@gmail.com. NRHM has also contributed to health (particularly to backward states) simply by making some funds available and increasing autonomy through the newly established health societies, ASHA workers, etc.
NDA government, full of good intentions undertook the highways project: it significantly boosted all round GDP growth, but unfortunately, this is not as attractive to voters as getting cash for work (or just believing that they were going to get rozgar)... even though the roads have played a very important role for the development of the economy as a whole. Sarva Shiksha Abhiyan, great work, even if the quality aspect there remains dubious.
My point is simple: politics is all about votes, overall GDP growth will not translate into electoral gains if the beneficiaries are few in number. If Congress ka prince charming can convince people that he's with them (irrespective of the hidden truths), he will draw votes. But promises have to be backed by some action.
Religion/caste: these issues don't have long term sustainability, simply because there needs to be action beyond saying "am your caste-religion mate so vote fo me".
I think we've moved far away from d issue of corruption: UPA is corrupt, so are most other political organisation. Am against corruption definitely, the issue is bigger than baba... :)
Atlast somebody understood the meaning and goal of this forum topic. Thats what i was saying all along don't see this as personal favour to ramdev baba. see this as a movement against corruption and black money. If even osama bin laden was fasting for the same cause i would support him. This is the time when we should start thinking as one nation.
how easy it has become for us to pass judgements from comforts of our rooms without knowing anything and withot taking any initiataive to even think postive on whats happening (just coz we have our own perceptions and we love them!). I think till the time Indian youth will not come out in open (and please don't say we support Rahul Gandhi and his youth brigade and stuff...) ...nothing is gonna haapen!
Someone has to atke an iniative and we all must support the cause (keeping aside what we think about the person and wat he is doing etc etc)
how easy it is to assume that anyone who's active online must be doing nothing constructive in reality... I don't see why we need to support someone who has obvious flaws.
Ramdev baba was arrested today and the crowd was dispersed using violent methods like lathi charge and tear gas at 4 clock in the morning. Is this gov gone out of their mind using violence against peaceful satyagraha. It was a very irresponsive behaviour on part of the gov and sardarji and madam are going to face much trouble due to this. God save the madam.
I oppose this brutal act, people were sleeping, women also injured. some i see were volunteers. also some police were laughing while doing the act. i am opposing this by every possible way and this is act of dictators. just posted an article to raise the awareness.
The fast has began with support of right-wing hindu leaders and many muslim leaders.
Hey, who is in the right wing in India?
only time will tell the results.
Oh how easy it is to comment about problems of india siting in Sharjah. Why don't you come and help change the judiciary system in india
On the other hand, how easy it is to claim that you are making a difference just coz you are here in India? and someone else is not?
@aditya
Are you autistic or something. where did i say i made a change. "Karmanya vadhika raste ma faleshu" Just go on doing your work with passion and truthfulness that is the biggest service to ur country.
Haha.. People only get personal when their arguments dont make sense.
Okay, You didn't but that doesnt mean that someone who is not in India is also not doing anything. Simple. Dunno about tys but the NRI community on the west coast is very active.
So, this idea of blaming people who move out of the country by saying that they should come back. I lived abroad for a while and faced it too and it is just so bugging.
i said it because whenever i comment something you don't take time to understand anything and just go babling something. Earlier too i was explaining how you should look at this fasting as just as a public movement but you kept bringing your personal prejudice against baba in this. And now tys who is in sharjah is commenting on how india is full of corrupt people i could not stop myself in bringing to his notice that living abroad and just commenting on countries problem is not going to help. If he has propasals for the solutions he should come and help in implementing them.
And now even anna hazare is going to participate in the fasting. i know against him also you will have many personal prejudices and you will be happy to present them to us. But "frankly my dear i don't give a damn".you keep belieiving in your views i am going to believe in mine.
:) ..i missed this...sorry it took such a long time to get back to you...
why are u so angry man?...how can u assume what i do and dont do?....dont u think that was a bit pompus of u...i personally think that the soultion is simple...first the people change and automatically the society and its leaders change with it.,..after all we are all the drops that makes this sewage we call a human civilization...
what we really need is not people on the side line sitting and clapping and cheering on a movement but make a concious effort not to encourage or participate in any corruptive actions, be it even the most simplistic thing like bribing the TT to get ur berth...do that and i will commend u but untill then, u , sir , are just a follower...
i fear people like u.
tys........I also don't like this hunger drama and written two articles on it, after first article got so many personal attacks......but i stil oppose hunger drama,.
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