Support Ramdev Baba's satyagraha against corruption
As most of you may be knowing Ramdev Baba is going to fast till death from 4th june onwards. The reason for the fast is corruption and black money in india. His demands are that all black money stashed in Foreign banks should be brought back to india, ban high- denomination money as they facilitates corruption and award death sentence to the corrupt. Though the last demand is a bit far-fetched other two demands i think are very necessary. So if you support Baba ramdevs efforts pls take some steps to show it . Thank you. Jai hind! Jai bharat!.
Reason: opinion difference
Ramdev Baba needs to come into action since Jan Lokpal bill drafting seems to be an issue with politicians calling the shot, next judiciary too will try to escape, and finally police will too expect to be exempted. Finally what would be left is a farcial bill to prosecute govt employees.
I hope RAMDEV BABA succeeds where Anna seems to failing ?
hahaha. Guys cmon you cant be serious! Baba is jsu building a brand around himself. Half is stuff is just crap.
Ya half of the stuff may be crap but just think even if half of the things may be genuine and can be implemented how much difference it will make. It is guessed that india has nearly $1.4 trillion in black money and even if half of that is brought back how much difference it will make. india can clear all its debt with it. He is asking for death sentence but even half of that means life sentence will make much difference. We all know every social activist has something selfish to gain from this satyagrahas and stuff but we can't always wait for some martin luther king or somebody to show up. We have to support such initiations because if even 1% of the effort succeed it will make much diference and boost the morals of the people. If people like you just don't support this movement when the real revolution is started people will loose hope and nothing will change.
This is no revolution! Baba and his philosophy is shit.
We dont need a baba to tell us that there is black money stashed abroad and that it would make a huge difference if it comes back to India. This is common knowledge.
Okay, lets look at this way. if we support him now and he becomes powerful and starts influencing India's policy, imagine the hawock its going to create!
His economics policy is total nonsense >> he is against MNCs and he is pro-welfare states. That just doesnt make sense. I dont want my nation to go back to the Indira Gandhi's socialists era. No way.
More over, he likes to call homosexuals as sick people who need treatment when infact it is he who needs some. Misleading people in the name of Indian culture is a crime of the highest order and it pains met to see so many people supporting him.
I can give you numerous controversial stuff that he advocates but even you agree that half his stuff is crap. So, if we support him now how will you be able to answer your consiousness later when he implemenets all this scary policies. You must understand that by lending support to his anti-black money movement you are just making him stronger and also approving his other policies which is a very scary scenario.
So, in short even I want to put an end to black money but I am not ready to compromise on any fundamental points that I raised.
ok now lets take look at your points sequentially.
- I never said it is revolution, and only a retard will call it such. This is just a initiative to make the public aware of the evils of black money. You may be aware of it but just go once outside and ask some common villager or any poor worker what is black money or swiss bank. People like them listen to only babas and religious gurus. if you send somebody in a suit and tie to explain them about it they won't give a shit.
- Then you are afraid that his power and influence may increase beyond limits. But he already is a very famous public figure. At his height of his popularity he could easily have formed a political party and would have easily won any important place in the system.But he is not interested in it.
- He doesn't have any sophisticated economic policies. Just some suggestion like people should buy more indigineous stuff and should support swadeshi stuff etc. And why are you so much against pro-welfare and socialism. A country where maximum amount of wealth is concentrated in 1% of the population, a bit of socialism is a must. North korea is not a ambassodor of socialism.
- His others views on homosexual and other controversial stuff may be a bit disturbing. But essentally we are not supporting a person here. He is not running for presidential elections. We are supporting a general movement. So his views on other stuff doen't actually matter.
Famous people are always in some controversies but it doesnt mean they are bad people. Why do think lazy people get up at 4 clock in the moring and go to his camps, they can just get a dvd and do it at home but we need a authoritive figure to make us do the exercises. In the same way we need a public figure to carry out such movements. If you visit pathanjali yogpeeth in haridwar you may understand what babas can do.
+1 Aditya.
Sorry Mayur, May be I took the following line in a wrong way"If people like you just don't support this movement when the real revolution is started people will loose hope and nothing will change."Great if it isnt a revolution. Now, I am going to reply to all your questions:
1. I didnt say I was against Babas? did I? I am against Baba Ramdev and (not every baba) who is misusing the idea of Indian Culture. And where did the suited guy come from? :D
And also, personally I think IF and only if (I believe the youth today can do) people cant think for themselves then they are fools and in a democracy you get what you deserve. so that explains the mess we are in
2. So? What if he doesnt want to form a political party? What does that prove? He is much more powerful this way by blackmailing the system by holding the state to ransom. This was he can just scare the politicians coz he has a million people who dont think and would believe anyone in a saffron robe who will join them in their favorite passtime of politician bashing!
I would be much better if he joins politics and cleans the system from the inside instead of just enjoying so much power without any responsibility.
3. Haha. I am a free market guy and may be you should read up a bit more. Just something to think about. :D and if North Korea is not an ambassador of socialism then what is? :D
And the problem is that he doesnt know shit about Economics either and yet he is hell vound on talking about it. rather he is just talking what appeals to the masses (things like swadeshi).
4. :D Thats just an excuse to bypass the issue. Every movement has a leader and this one has Baba Ramdev. and there is no such thing as 'general' movement. Every movement has an objective and a leader and how they plan to achieve their aims.And if you mean the movement against Corruption, then I am in too but just coz Ramdev is also against corruption doesnt mean I should support him.
5. :D So you want everyone to support him only coz he has a mass following. Mayur the sad truth about the masses are that they are always fools. Like Winston Churchill once saidIf you want to know what is wrong with democracy, just talk to the average voter .
And the Baba is also making a fool of everyone. He is just feeding us what the people want to hear. Things like swadeshi and socialism sound nice but dont make sense.
If you want to believe in someone only coz the herd is doing it, go ahead do it but just count me out. :D
Again you are taking this in the wrong sense.
1. i never said you hate babas. You are against ramdev baba because of the controverisies and wrong media coverage. i can't see where he misused the concept of indian culture.
2. Do you really think fasting for some good reason is like blackmailing the government? then you may think Gandhiji was the biggest blackmailler in the history. People like ramdev baba are not fit for politics their role is to make people aware of the evils in the society.
3. Nice that you are a free market guy but i am not too comfortable in sending indian currency outside. that doesn't mean i don't use foreign goods but i like to substitue them with indian goods were quality is not compromised. India is a country of a billion people and concept like swadeshi can really do it some good.
If you think North korea represents the values of socialism then you hould your self do some reading.
Why do you think i doesn't no shit about about economics. You seem to project economics issue are very diificult to understand like relativity or quantum mechanics. Every time ramdev baba raises this issues he backs it with facts and survey conducted by reputed firms. So you can't see he is just babbling about the thinks he have no knowledge about. Do you want to say when people protest against nuclear power they all are nuclear scientists. Nobody has right to question others knowledge when he have no facts to prove it.
4. Nobody is forcing you to join him nobody is asking you too become his disciple and go fasting. i am just saying that we should help him to make people aware of this issues. so people will be free to form their own opinion.
5. I am not saying follow him because he has mass following or he is hindu which i too belong to. I am saying support him because the cause is good.
You are really making this sound as if this is a presedential election where if we support ramdev baba he will overtake the country and drag it back to the stone age. Common man we too know nothing significant will be acheived in this movement. The government is not actually going to raid all the foreign banks and bring all the money back nor will it hang every corrupt man. But even if a small number of people will be awakened about the issue it will be something to brag about. People need a person like ramdev baba to raise their spirits and prevent them from losing their hopes in democracy where every person has the right to make his problems heard. We all know drinking cold drinks is bad but when hear about it from a person like ramdev baba it feels something different. i too stopped drinking coldrinks when i heard it from him. If in his place if my parents would have told it i most probably would not have left drinking coldrinks. You may laugh about it and think i am idiot to leave thinks i like because of some stupid baba but take my word for it is one habit i am truly proud about. its just human nature you can't help it.
sorry Why do you think i doesn't no shit about about economics. is why do you thing ramdev baba doesnt no shit about economics
1. He misused Indian culture by saving that Homosexuality is unnatural which our ancient texts clearly accept it as completely natural. Not mention that it is not a disease.
2. Dont compare Gandhi and Baba. There was no democracy then but there is one know. No one is stopping baba from entering the parliament through elections and changing the policy. Instead he insists on blackmailing. If he is so popular he can just form his own government. why doesnt he do it?
3. :D Me neither and as I have stated before. I am also against Corruption and Black Money but it is his other policies that I have issues with. I dint bring up Korea, you did. Come up with any country where socialism has worked and lets debate on that. and if you want I'll read about it ;)
4. As I said before,
If you want to know what is wrong with democracy, just talk to the average voter .
5. :D again we keep going in a loop. Only half of it is good, the other half is evil and I am not going to support evil.
In times like these, people need a strong leader. Hitler was also born in such a situation. And I just want to ensure that I dont support anyone who has anybit of evil in it.
Look Mayur, good for you if he inspires you. He makes me laugh. Sorry, if that hurts you but each one has their opinoin.
And also, if you believe the movement will not succeed then u have lost even before u began :D
btw I have written post about him here, may be that will help clear things up
http://www.adityakumarnayak.com/2011/baba-ram-dev-wrong-dont-support/
1. He did not misused indian culture he did not say that it is written in scriptures or vedas that homosexuality is bad. he gave his opinion on that pls dont drag indian culture in it.
2. I never compared gandhiji and baba. You said that fasting is blackmailling so i gave example that the same fasting won you freedom. i said he is not fit for politics because we want educated and people with administrative skills in the government but we also need external forces like baba to make people aware of all the social issues.
Why don't you get the point. i am not telling you to support ramdev baba. i am telling you to support the movement. I am just asking u to think practically. if you are waiting for reincarnation of god to change this country then best of luck. i believe in small changes which together create a revolution. To stir a billion people is not an easy task if ramdev baba has the influence why not support this movement.
i did not say the movement won't succeed it depends on what succees u r expecting as i said earlier that there is no practicality in thinking that all his demands will be fulfilled there is no sense in thinking it will bring back all the black money back in the country. But they will have to accept some conditions and create some reforms. though they may not change anything significant. People will get get inspired and feel more confident. and they will know that when mass people protest the government has to surrender. I would like to tell a incident about gandhiji. Gandhiji protested against the landlords in champaran for their harashment on the indigo farmers atlast the lanlords had to surrender. But they agreed to pay only 25% of the compensation. ghandiji accepted it happily many people like you thought that it was not worth it and is was not a success and they asked about it to ghandhiji he replied that it is not neccesarry that all their demands were accepted but the landlords had to surrender and this will boost the confidence of the farmers and in the future they won't be afraid to protest against them. So i am saying it is not important that all the demands should be fulfilled. the inspiration and the confidence the people will get out of it is the most important thing.
Pls keep your personal prejudice against ramdev baba aside and support the movement.
And also don't think that i am a old gandhian or somethings. i am 18 yrs old and know the feelings of the youth.
Indiblogger comment system is so cumbersome. Lets debate on the link I sent you after this one.
1. I didn't being Indian Culture into this, Baba did.
2. Aware? Thats just power without accountability. And thats a lame excuse on the part of baba to not enter politics. Gandhi's fasting got us this democracy so that we dont have to fast again to get our voices heard. And you yourself insist on bringing Gandhi into this even in your last comment.
Okay, take him off from the leadership role and I'll gladly join in. Simple?
Not happening na? coz it is his movement and the leader represents the pack.
Use his popularity? again doesnt cut much ice. His followers follow him for what he believes in and what he believes in is evil.
And again Gandhi? Cant you find any other example? coz his satyagraha is just a misnomer :)
I detest him and his views. And I will not support anything under his leadership.
:D And I dont think you are old Gandhian though that doesnt make much of a difference to the debate. :)
Again, if you want to further debate, use the link to the post. Indiblogger comment system is cumbersome :)
Well he sure needs some real support! I remember that during Anna Hazare's fast, half the internet was buzzing about that topic.
Anna hazare too has given full support to ramdev baba, he commented that last time he felt cheated by the government.
tys........I also don't like this hunger drama and written two articles on it, after first article got so many personal attacks......but i stil oppose hunger drama,.
Oh how easy it is to comment about problems of india siting in Sharjah. Why don't you come and help change the judiciary system in india
On the other hand, how easy it is to claim that you are making a difference just coz you are here in India? and someone else is not?
@aditya
Are you autistic or something. where did i say i made a change. "Karmanya vadhika raste ma faleshu" Just go on doing your work with passion and truthfulness that is the biggest service to ur country.
Haha.. People only get personal when their arguments dont make sense.
Okay, You didn't but that doesnt mean that someone who is not in India is also not doing anything. Simple. Dunno about tys but the NRI community on the west coast is very active.
So, this idea of blaming people who move out of the country by saying that they should come back. I lived abroad for a while and faced it too and it is just so bugging.
i said it because whenever i comment something you don't take time to understand anything and just go babling something. Earlier too i was explaining how you should look at this fasting as just as a public movement but you kept bringing your personal prejudice against baba in this. And now tys who is in sharjah is commenting on how india is full of corrupt people i could not stop myself in bringing to his notice that living abroad and just commenting on countries problem is not going to help. If he has propasals for the solutions he should come and help in implementing them.
And now even anna hazare is going to participate in the fasting. i know against him also you will have many personal prejudices and you will be happy to present them to us. But "frankly my dear i don't give a damn".you keep belieiving in your views i am going to believe in mine.
:) ..i missed this...sorry it took such a long time to get back to you...
why are u so angry man?...how can u assume what i do and dont do?....dont u think that was a bit pompus of u...i personally think that the soultion is simple...first the people change and automatically the society and its leaders change with it.,..after all we are all the drops that makes this sewage we call a human civilization...
what we really need is not people on the side line sitting and clapping and cheering on a movement but make a concious effort not to encourage or participate in any corruptive actions, be it even the most simplistic thing like bribing the TT to get ur berth...do that and i will commend u but untill then, u , sir , are just a follower...
i fear people like u.
only time will tell the results.
The fast has began with support of right-wing hindu leaders and many muslim leaders.
Hey, who is in the right wing in India?
Ramdev baba was arrested today and the crowd was dispersed using violent methods like lathi charge and tear gas at 4 clock in the morning. Is this gov gone out of their mind using violence against peaceful satyagraha. It was a very irresponsive behaviour on part of the gov and sardarji and madam are going to face much trouble due to this. God save the madam.
I oppose this brutal act, people were sleeping, women also injured. some i see were volunteers. also some police were laughing while doing the act. i am opposing this by every possible way and this is act of dictators. just posted an article to raise the awareness.
how easy it has become for us to pass judgements from comforts of our rooms without knowing anything and withot taking any initiataive to even think postive on whats happening (just coz we have our own perceptions and we love them!). I think till the time Indian youth will not come out in open (and please don't say we support Rahul Gandhi and his youth brigade and stuff...) ...nothing is gonna haapen!
Someone has to atke an iniative and we all must support the cause (keeping aside what we think about the person and wat he is doing etc etc)
how easy it is to assume that anyone who's active online must be doing nothing constructive in reality... I don't see why we need to support someone who has obvious flaws.
Atlast somebody understood the meaning and goal of this forum topic. Thats what i was saying all along don't see this as personal favour to ramdev baba. see this as a movement against corruption and black money. If even osama bin laden was fasting for the same cause i would support him. This is the time when we should start thinking as one nation.
Then please can anyone tell what has actually happened on the issue? and why nothing has been done on Black money and corruption since so many years.,,,except crying on the issue? and flaws are there wid everyone...the governemnt is full of people who had loads of cases on them.....den y do we bring them to power?
The point here is not supporting the fast...but to support the cause by extending your support to someone who atleast is bringing this issue to light. What happened on that night should be a warning to evryone that if do not STAND up now,,,,government can do anything to curb those who will stand against its decisions.
We don't really bring them to power. Tally the population count we have in our country (18+ only) against people who are honestly voting. Does it even cross 50%? Democracy is ineffective in getting a proper leader appointed or removed. On top of it, media takes sides as if L.K. Advani is Magneto, Manmohan being Charles Xavier of the X-men.
Congress has the religion trum card which they play every ellection. In 2004 lok sabha election they did the same thing. BJP headed by atal bihari vajpayee had a wonderful economic record. The inflation was lowest in its tenure, IT sector boomed bringing india to international forefront, highways were build and many other basic civil facilty projects where undertaken. It was really a "shinning india". Yes there were some minor flaws but nothing in this world is perfect. Everybody expected BJP to win and continue this dream run. But again congress played its religion card well. And a puppet in form of manmohan singh was presented to us. From then onward india's progress has been declining. If you look at states wihtout the upa government you will notice they are progressing more rapidly then other states like gujrat, bihar, uttarakhand etc. According to me narendra modi is the best option for PM of india. we need a dynamic leader like him.
Religion has a role agreed, but if you remember... it was the "aam admi" focus of the congress that helped it to win...
Same thing happened when TDP's Chandrababu Naidu lost... nobody expected that. But, we have to recognise that IT sector growth doesnt really trickle down to the grassroots... and it is the grassroots from where the votes come. The beneficiaries of growth are not voting actively... and also happen to be much fewer in numbers... "India Shining" campaign failed as it focused on the upwardly mobile middle class... the class which is often too busy, too preoccupied and too happy to vote.
Keeping the grassroots factor in mind, UPA initiated NREGA, NRHM, etc... that's why Rahul Gandhi keeps trying to mix with the aam admi :-/ If it was all about religion, he would've just mixed with muslims no? The whole idea is to capture the votes of the downtrodden...
"Am admi" my ass. congress has always won on the religion basis. So you say rahul gandhi visits am admi but if you notice he always goes to people belonging to sc and st. And having dinner and sleeping one night at a peasants house doesn't mean he has bounded with the am admi. And why are you taking only the IT growth into consideration. During BJP rule the inflation was one of the lowest all food items were very cheap i still remember when our family use to buy the whole months food items once because it was that cheap and nobody use to care if you buy extra because it was that cheap. but today go to buy 1 kilo of dal and you will get a concussion hearing the price. Many have suggested BJP lost because onion price rised too much but what about today mostly all food items are highly charged. And my opinion is that economic development is the most important of the developments. If economy is stable all things falls in place. You can see what economic instability is doing to usa. Then you say congress has initated nrega, nrhm but do you see them implimented? it is very easy to start such schemes giving them names of great people and it is other thing to impliment them. BJP started National Highways Development Project and sarv shiksha abhiyan and they are very successfully implented. There are 2 sarv shiksha abhiyan schools in our small locality itself. In conclusion congress is nothing but symbol of racism, bribery etc
@Mayur, I don't know if Aam admi is your "ass" or not, but I do hope our politicians don't have that attitude.
I agree Rahul Gandhi visits SC/ST. But are they outside the purview of "aam admi"? Or do we entitle someone as "aam" on the basis of caste/religion? Rahul is an exhibitionist and plays on vote bank politics. If religion was such a huge issue then I don't understand why a hindu majority nation would ever have a non hindutva party in power in the first place.
I agree to the failure of UPA to curb inflation (Majboor MMS, wake up now!), but it is unfortunate that votes typically do not follow GDP growth rates. The sectoral composition of economic growth is crucial. Notice that the period of NDA rule was also the period of decelerating groth rates in agriculture, and given the huge population engaged in primary sector activities, it is anybody's guess as to which India was shining. Are we in a better position today? The agrarian crises healed somewhat (though I cannot credit UPA for this!)There have been (read promises) schemes like NREGA which have injected purchasing power (inspite of significant leakages), if you want data/details contact me on ruhisonal@gmail.com. NRHM has also contributed to health (particularly to backward states) simply by making some funds available and increasing autonomy through the newly established health societies, ASHA workers, etc.
NDA government, full of good intentions undertook the highways project: it significantly boosted all round GDP growth, but unfortunately, this is not as attractive to voters as getting cash for work (or just believing that they were going to get rozgar)... even though the roads have played a very important role for the development of the economy as a whole. Sarva Shiksha Abhiyan, great work, even if the quality aspect there remains dubious.
My point is simple: politics is all about votes, overall GDP growth will not translate into electoral gains if the beneficiaries are few in number. If Congress ka prince charming can convince people that he's with them (irrespective of the hidden truths), he will draw votes. But promises have to be backed by some action.
Religion/caste: these issues don't have long term sustainability, simply because there needs to be action beyond saying "am your caste-religion mate so vote fo me".
I think we've moved far away from d issue of corruption: UPA is corrupt, so are most other political organisation. Am against corruption definitely, the issue is bigger than baba... :)
You really got the essence of this topic. From long i am trying to explain that people will always try to take advantage of such situations. Like BJP is taking on the police brutality issue. But his doesn't mean that we should drop the whole movement because of some oppurtinists.
Thats what m saying...you are only explaining the whole thing in more detailed manner....media is full of corrupted people ...lets b honest in that...they support those who give them benefits...in such a scenario...if we cannot do anything constructive to create mass awareness about voting and corrutipn...then we must stand and support others who are doing it (who have large following especially those who do not come out and vote...Baba is providing a good TG)
If educated people like us will join such causes then definitely we can create awareness about the issue (if baba is doing it or not),,,atleast we hav a platform and we ca use it for good of teh country.
(u support fast or baba is a different thing...but come out in open to support the cause)
but i really do think that this anticorruption movement shud be kept active....it shud not be allowed to rest...but this fasting bit is done onto death...how abt something more creative and daring?...how abt exposing the people doing it...ordinary people recording any such activities and putting it up on a site...a name and same thing...nothing like fear of being caught for people to walk a straight line...
I'd love arguing with you guys here.
But first i'd like you all to know where i stand on these issues.
Pls take some time out and read these articls frm my blog. And then v can debate all v want ! :)
http://badabingbadabambadaboom.wordpress.com/2011/06/03/babaramdev/
http://badabingbadabambadaboom.wordpress.com/2011/06/05/india-democracy-hahahahaha/
http://badabingbadabambadaboom.wordpress.com/2011/06/08/same-old-same-old/
I know it's not right to post these links here. But i really want you all to read 'em cos its totally worth the read.
what pramod , i believe , is trying to say is that we are beginning to see the purpose behind the drama.
the magnificent creation of another us and them...
love this...
what can I say, swati ji, people have to be intelligent enuf to see the things, not just carrying on with mob attitude.
and all this doesn't come free, it needs blood, blood of innocent citizens. that's what I see.
can't see what other's see.
:D baba u lead... and we shall follow... why? cos its so much easier than to use our brains! :D
You should keep yourself updated. Later it was explained that people are not been recruited for forming a small army. Do you think they are such fools? It will be a group of people who will be given yoga, pranayam training and will be thought self defence arts like karate, judo, kusti etc and this group of people will try to teach this things to general public so that they can be ready to defend themselves from the government brutality. You don't care because nobody close to you was there at ramlila maidan. If such thing would happen in some european country like france the full country would be outraged and the government would pay highly for that
sir with all due respect. a public announcement was later made by one of his aides explaining everything. you may find it interesting to read.
Sir nobody has time and interest to change ur opinion. But we would appriciate if you first take look at all the facts, check if their up to date and then comment. That way other's opnion won't get manipulated.
guys,,,,don't divide urslef over an opinion over a single person...jst unite for a cause....thats wat m trying to say in all my previous posts
i am really sorry to have disturbed you mayur. I too don't have any time either, you won't see me on your thread again.
As you wish sir. Also i would like to make it clear that, starting a thread doesn't give me right to judge any people and their opinions. i started this thread just to bring this matter to peoples notice so they can take interest in it. My only request was to pls verify the facts before commenting. Thank you
supporting the man is a different thing and supporting a cause is a different thing...however the movement has turned upside down,,,that's a different thing,,,,m telling dis again and again that we shud unite for a cause and not divide ourselves over a person..thats it!
and what govt is not at all justifiable....y are we forgetting it?
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