India set to lose Net Neutrality? Act now

Alaka Yeravadekar
Alaka Yeravadekar
from Pune
9 years ago

This topic is very much related to blogging in terms of internet access.

What is Net Neutrality?

As per this article http://www.medianama.com/2014/11/223-net-neutrality-simple-explanation/

Telecom operators/ISPs are access services providers, and can control either how much you access, what you access, how fast you access and how much you pay to access content and services on the Internet.

It’s important for access to knowledge, services and free speech, as well as freedom and ease of doing business online, for this access to be neutral:

– All sites must be equally accessible - The same access speed at the telco/ISP level for each (independent of telco selection) – The same data cost for access to each site (per KB/MB).

This means, Net Neutrality is about: – No telecom-style licensing of Internet companies (see this and this) – No gateways (Internet.org, Airtel OneTouch Internet, Data VAS), censorship or selection; – No speeding up of specific websites (that may or may not pay telcos) – No “zero rating” or making some sites free over others (and that goes for you too, Wikipedia and twitter).

Folks, please go through these links to understand better.

Action needs to be taken soon.

How you can act: https://www.change.org/p/rsprasad-trai-don-t-allow-differential-pricing-of-services-let-consumers-choose-how-they-want-to-use-internet-netneutrality

To gain some understanding of the situation: http://www.livemint.com/Opinion/pj61D8cXPVQXwO0UJnd67I/The-Airtel-Zero-idea-Splitting-Indias-Internet-into-many-I.html

Thanks,

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Pooja Gupta
Pooja Gupta
from Mumbai
9 years ago
I have written a recent post on why people are wrong in opposing Airtel zero. The perspective of other side on this debate.
U K
from Navi Mumbai, Maharashtra
9 years ago

Yes Pooja I read that one..:)

Close to 5 lacs emails sent to TRAI, in just around 2 days time. Guess what, TRAI will never ever ask for public opinion again!! :P :D
HR
from Bangalore
9 years ago

By this time TRAI also would have got confused and panic.

5 lacs emails are for favour or against the NN topic in real? Innocent

Shantinath Chaudhary
from Hyderabad
9 years ago
They wouldn't have even needed to read the email to know whether it was in favour or in opposition. In fact, many in opposition too would have been counted as in favour of NN!! :P What is certain ia that they won't dare to propose any price related changes. And even if they do, Govt's committee will strike it down.
Aseem Rastogi
Aseem Rastogi
from Lucknow
9 years ago

@Nandini - Internet users in India are only about 250 odd million or so :P

Nandini Deka
from Bombay
9 years ago

isnt that sad...and if you read my comments  ( which i assume u didnt )...that was the reason i was favoring free internet option too along with regular paid one....but then some privilegded sections seems to want the situation remain that way..

After Flipkart moved out of Airtel Zero, now Cleartrip has come out in support of Net Neutrality. Smile Cleartrip announced moving out of the Internet.org scheme, which is similar to Airtel zero. Moreover, they have written a very nice blog-post on why they earlier opted for Internet.org , but now decided to move out of it. Read it- http://blog.cleartrip.com/2015/04/15/cleartrip-is-standing-up-for-netneutrality/

Ranjith
Ranjith
from hyderabad
9 years ago

See the second comment on that cleartrip blogpost

Joy Gupta Apr 15, 2015

So you guys were trying to sell hotel reservation to the “underserved” who can’t afford data?

 

Tongue out

Shantinath Chaudhary
from Hyderabad
9 years ago

But they book Bus tickets too Smile

Ranjith
from hyderabad
9 years ago

Going to the bus stand and catching a bus is much better than booking a bus ticket online :P

Shantinath Chaudhary
from Hyderabad
9 years ago
Ok, next time you try that only :)
HR
HR
from Bangalore
9 years ago

Again =)) =)) :))  :))  ROFL.

(In this, Digital India dream also =)) :)))

Nandini Deka
from Bombay
9 years ago

You have a problem?Undecided

HR
from Bangalore
9 years ago

Nope! =)) 

Kaunquest
Kaunquest
from London
9 years ago
The telecom companies will be having their way at the cost of hapless consumers. Instead of helping these private operators fill their coffers, India should be implementing better regulations. Hope good sense prevails in the end.
Pooja Gupta
Pooja Gupta
from Mumbai
9 years ago
Thanks UK. I guess this government digital india plan will go for a six if TRAI agrees to net nuetrality.
Probably one day to go for end of deadline for submission of opinions, and over 1 million emails have been sent to TRAI. More than 10 lacs emails in less than 2 weeks time is really impressive, and it gives enough indication of public mood :)
Tangerine
from Assam
9 years ago

There are good arguments both for and against the matter and having read both opinions, I stand firmly for net neutrality. ISPs should continue their hands off approach from internet traffic. And I do hope TRAI comes up with clear and precise rules protecting net neutrality.

Nandini Deka
from Bombay
9 years ago

that doesnt explain if sites decides to go app only...what will happen to net neutrality ..if sites forces one to use app only like myntra/flipkart is planning to do in near future by shutting their desktop versions completely....many other sites will follow suit....what then?

Shantinath Chaudhary
from Hyderabad
9 years ago
@Tangerine: I agree there. I too have gone through strongly convincing argument by both sides, but I stand with Neutrality supporting side due to so many reasons. Corporates can't monopalise Internet, they can't be allowed to twist it according to their convenienes. Consumers' choice must decide the fate of Internet. And people have made it abundantly clear by now.
Tangerine
from Assam
9 years ago

@Nandini Deka: I may have misunderstood your question. And I am going to apologise right at the onset for not having read all your comments so I might be missing something here. But anyway as per my understanding if we have net neutrality, once you have an internet plan you should be allowed to access any website without discrimination. Implies that as long as you have an internet plan you can access the apps for Myntra/Flipkart etc on your smartphone or tablet at no extra charge.  

But I am curious... if certain websites choose to become an app only service how does it challenge net neutrality? I mean, as per net neutrality as long as I have an internet plan I can access whatever I want, so what if it is an app? 

Nandini Deka
from Bombay
9 years ago

@Tangerine...nobody with sane mind would be against net neutrality....everyone wants to access the way things are. its wrong to assume that someone would be against it....from begining ive always maintained the way we are currently access net should not be disrupted....however keeping that intact, there can be a possibility of free net access for the unpriviledged...

 

@shantinath....if certain websites choose to become an app only service ...arent we being forced to use their app thingy only? since website version wont be there? so only my smartphone plan will be able to access it...not my normal desktop internet plan...isnt that discrimination?

Tangerine
from Assam
9 years ago

@Nandini Deka: When did I imply you are against net neutrality? I have already very politely apologised for not reading all your previous coments and yet the tone of your response feels unpleasant (perhaps that's because I do not know you). I was merely trying to help with your query regarding apps from only a net neutrality stand point alone. And here you are telling me what is right and what is wrong.

I will say it again, even if certain websites become app only version, to my understanding (and yes I might be wrong), it is not against net neutrality. Yes, people without a smartphone will not be able to access those sites. But whether or not someone can afford a smartphone has nothing to do with net neutrality. (Yes I may be wrong again)

About being able to provide free internet to the underprevilaged, yes I am all for philantropy. I did not say it outright coz the question was about what will happen to NN if websites become apps only not providing free internet to the underprevilaged.

PS: Even though I am for NN. I don't think calling people with anti NN views insane. But you are prefectly free to have your own opinion.

Shantinath Chaudhary
from Hyderabad
9 years ago
@Nandini: Since you specifically asked, the issue that you are raising is no way related to "Net Neutrality", but Airtel Zero and similar concepts are somewhat related to Net Neutrality. But I won't like to go into that all over again. Have had enough. If you want to beliee that Flipkart reducing it's access to app only, is against "Net Neutrality" (or related to NN), then it's your inidividual choice (that few will agree with).
Tangerine
from Assam
9 years ago

*Also to my knowledge, whether someone can acess something from a phone but not from the desktop has nothing to do with net neutrality. (Eg: instagram or whatsapp are thriving in USA which has NN laws, so I am making an educated guess here)

Someone with better understanding on the topic please weigh in.

Tangerine
from Assam
9 years ago

@Shantinath Chaudhary: I just noticed you confirmed my views even before I asked for expert opinion SmileLaughing 

Anyway, time for emailing TRAI is over... fingers crossed for the verdict! 

Nandini Deka
from Bombay
9 years ago

ok i got mixed up with names... second part was also for tangerine not shantinath

Nandini Deka
from Bombay
9 years ago

tangerine >> my reply was for this >> There are good arguments both for and against the matter and having read both opinions,

 

if you were refering to this particular thread..nobody has spoken against net neutrality....so i clarified..thats all....if you were refering other arguements beyond this forum...then i dunno...and i'm not saying what is right or wrong.

Shantinath Chaudhary
from Hyderabad
9 years ago
@Tangerine: I didn't give anything like "expert opinion". And if you don't like someone to confirm or oppose your views without explicitly asked by you, well then, probably you shouldn't be commenting in a public discussion thread like these :) :)
Tangerine
from Assam
9 years ago

@Shantinath Chaudhary: Really sorry. I didnot mean it that way. I meant more like. "Your comment on apps and NN was exactly the confirmation I was looking for thank you. Because I was making answering based on my understanding and wasn't 100% sure. You replied even before I had a chance to ask for it." Calling your opinion from an expert was a compliment... Again I apologise if I offended you

Shantinath Chaudhary
from Hyderabad
9 years ago

@Tangerine: Oh No need to feel Sorry and apologise that way (as if you did a crime). Smile You could have simply said that you meant the other way. Smile Misenterpretation of expressed opinions is not rare. I guess reading your sentences I somehow misenterpreted it. Anyway, thanks for your compliments Smile

Shantinath Chaudhary
from Hyderabad
9 years ago

Just to add up to the discussion, US came up with a clear NN law very recently. On the contrary, UK has clear anti-NN regulations in place! Many other countries too have anti-NN regulations in place. So I think as of now, only US has come up with a NN law to safeguard consumers' interests.

Tangerine
from Assam
9 years ago

Chile and Netherland have laws supporting NN too. 

Shantinath Chaudhary
from Hyderabad
9 years ago

hmmm, I wasn't aware of that.

HR
from Bangalore
9 years ago

How about Africa and Mangolia?


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