Lesser restrictions = Lesser Crimes. Severe punishments = More Crimes.
Do you agree with this?
You know... this topic is little vague. By lesser restrictions what do you mean exactly?? Do you mean lesser laws? Or restrictions imposed by society? Or what??
I believe We have enough laws to control crime rate--- BUT not properly imposed, we have very less number of courts which is Impending justice. We have very less no. of police force per 1000 person. We lack in security and its enforcement and in most of the backward areas (From the data available online) women are still disrespected, even families don't teach their children to respect women results in Rape and crime against women. Though Crimes cant be eradicated, but punishments under the law can be given without delay. We need that... and our society is not too restricted, Tell me when was the last time any one paid parking ticked for parking in No-parking zone, or crossed red signal. I have seen many ppl do it daily .. so NO OUR SOCIETY IS NOT AT ALL TOO RESTRICTED INSTEAD WE DO WHAT WE WANT AND WE JUSTIFY IT OUR own way.
We all demand for sever punishments for brutal rape cases, coz they deserve it, it is justifiable.
Is this thread dedicated only to rapes?..
Necessarily no. Mr. Unknown. The topic is how a society must be made.
My answer = lesser restrictions, lesser punishments.
Lesser restrictions means the society of police should not intervene in private affairs of people like having sexual relationships, may be making money out of it, riding a bicycle without helmet, riding a car without seat belt, etc. etc. etc. We must throw away the so called Indian culture which was not Indian since a few centuries. We must embrace our old tradition. We must live in freedom. Freedom to do whatever we want.
In that system, we must slowly reduce punishments for crime. It will show a further improvement.
there were no bikes or car in old days so how can we go back to our old tradition. so yes we need to enforce helmets and put fine if they dont follow rules, as its for their own good...we form laws as per current times...
if u want to throw indian culture and go back to ur imaginary utopian old traditions then throw away all ur computers, cars, bikes tv...etc too as these things didnt exist then...and if u want to use these things u must follow the laws associated with them
If you say it is for your good that you must be forced to wear helmet, then going with that same reason, I must tell you not to smoke, not to drink alcohol. You want those restrictions?
And I know a lot more thing which will do you good. May I impose them all?
I don't want any utopian tradition. I just need the ancient Indian culture.
there is warning given in the cigerate box.....ciggies will kill only you...whereaas bikes/car gonna kill others too for no fault of theirs hence the fine......in ancent culture they used bullock carks...who is stopping u from travelling in one...but if u travel in modern cars.planes etc u better follow their laws
I'm not explaining the difference between third party insurance and seat belt. Please understand it yourself.
you first understand what i'm saying....if u want to go back to ancient times are you willing to give up modern amenities and travel in bullock carts??? if u travel in bullock kart u wont need any helmet....but if people wanna live in present times they'll have to wear helmet and follow its laws ok?
Please understand yourself the difference between having license and helmet.
nop u understand... if u want ancient laws u must be ready to travel bullock carts as in ancient times....if u want modern stuff..u must abide by modern laws
i dont think crime rate is effected in any way by the strictness of law. infact , it is effected by by socio-economic gap, ultraconservative mindset and social injustice or unjustified desires. we cannot cntrol these by strict law we have to bring about a change in society and break away from unnecessary social norms. what we can do in this area is just we can increase the speed of trial of court for who commited crimes.
I agree with you Mayank. Incerasing the speed of trial court will help only this case. But not the forthcoming cases.
Please explain Mr. Unknown.
Please explain Mr. Unknown
Mr.Vysakh...I made a comment earlier that...
incidents reported doesnt really reflect incidents happened.
restrictions as the only lever to control crime rate...may not be workable..Lets draw a parallel with an analogy
There was a time when Malaria was deadly..the mosquitoes were the culprits..then with research they come up DDT (Dichlorodiphenyl trichloroethane..thanks to my chemistry :), which seemed to an ultimate solution..but what happened was mosquitoes became immune to it over the time...I hope it explains the point am trying to convey..
I understand it. That means you too agree with my point.
You concurring with me will be substantiated if you only agree to the fact that lesser incidents reported in Mumbai doesnt mean, lesser incidents happening there and it is safest place to live
I dont agree to your point, cos you have an extreme stance where you say lesser restrictions, but I say restrictions with other key-drivers for the system in right place and pace.
I don't really agree with it. Because if incidents happened in mumbai as it do in delhi, it could have made some news at least. There could be some but definitely lesser than in Delhi.
I do not understand what do you mean by "restrictions with other key-drivers for the system in right place and pace". Can you please give an example and explain?
People wants to live free. But when the society imposes restrictions on them in care of morality, disturbances happen and they lead to crime.
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A lot of people demand for severe,strict,brutal punishment and that too fast-track...its all emotionally driven..Let me quote a case, that happened in Andhra Pradesh.
A girl by named Ayesha was brutally raped & killed...There was an arrest made and the fellow was so badly interrogated that both his legs were paralysed and he lost his senses also...it was really severe and deserving punishment but would have been apt if only he was the real culprit..it was all fabricated and the innocent was dragged into it..now if we go by the police's version then may be they should be awarded for that..
there were many speculations/doubts on some popular politicians kin, who was allegedly involved in the heinous crime, but is still at large.
so more than rules and regulations, the system should be near to perfect enough to set things right.
All sort of punishment and sentences should only be imposed... but on the offender and not the suspect.
The problem is zeroing down the actual offender.
We read what our media wants us to read.
Let me ask you one more question. Why these incidents happen in Delhi but not in Mumbai???? Any answers?
incidents happen everwhere...delhi is stereotyped..
delhi's media should be more active.
It is not much sterotyped. Mumbai IS safe for women compared to Delhi. We must answer why. The answer is the solution for the Delhi issues. Killing the accused won't be.
Incidents reported is different from incidents happened.
The accused in the latest Delhi case is been arrested. He may not be hanged because of lack of strict laws. But he will spend enough number of years in jail. Even after that, he can't live his life before. We all know what happened to the main accused of the earlier Delhi case.
From these facts, we can infer that fear of getting hanged won't prevent anybody from doing the crime.
To confirm this again, I reiterate my earlier comment. That, please check the crime status of Saudi Arabia and China. People get killed by the goverment year after year. What do you have to say about that? Are the people of Saudi and China that brave???????
I am not bring Saudi into this Vysakh. But think about it. If he is heavily punished irrespective of his connections, won't another two face offender feel scared? Atleast one or two in every five such poeple? Won't that atleast improve things?
But then again, Indian Law is like poetry. People just keep finding their own loopholes and interpret it.
I completely agree with Nandini and Ankita. India has been utterly lazy and lethargic with the disposal of any cases. When it comes to sensitive issues like this where the patriarchal ego takes the first peep instead of rational thinking and empathy, what use is it to give such people a chance to do the same thing again? If the offender is the not punished the first time, he/she will definitely feel more confident and unafraid of the system. They will just go on raping/molesting more women and children.
Fear of strict laws needs to be reinforced for the offenders to know that they would not be left unharmed after hurting someone at all levels possible. It is one thing to instill complete fear and terror in the people through the means of law and completely another to assure the citizns that they would be safe in the future from such malice.
Severe punishment may not stop crimes, but it may deter future criminals and, it can cool down the burning hearts of the victims and their families ... Why should rapists be fed on tax payers money ? Just get rid of them.
Govt should punish every-one equally. No-body should escape punishment, be it rich or poor, famous or in-famous. Because if our Govt. doesn't show its strong face, then people will start taking advantage of this leniency. Also the media should potray a criminal as a criminal only. Recently in the Sanjay Dutt case the media created so much hype and potrayed him as a saint. He was found guilty and was punished for that.
Read more about my views at http://niharikaspeaks.blogspot.com
Nice reply but out of context.
severe punishments helps Govts to terror its own people. 
But we need a fucntioning judiciary and police system too to maintain law and order. What ever the law only common pople are going to be the victim, no hardcore criminals or high born sugar coated criminals will be punished (at least here). Suppressing people more with rock hard laws will give only negative results at the end.
Personally I do not believe severe punishments stop crime. If it is true there won't be any crimes in countries which follows shariath. Laws should not be made under emotions or as a tool to get more votes in next election. While making a law, the law makers should also think about the possible misuse of it.
Your point is valid Rio. Please give your opinion about the question also.
my opinion is in simple words as a human "i concur with the point in part. that is lesser laws. but end result has to be more dependant on education in grassroot level. vygyl of superior degree, will curb the crime.
NO... If one is not scared of punishments and their severity then crimes will not stop. And we also need examples of enforing the law and the Punishments.For lesser punishments = More freedom even to go illegal, gunda raj.
It must be first of all a society without restrictions. Then we must have lesser punishments.
In India anybody can kill anyone without being afraid of hanged. Still no gunda raj comes into effect
they might not be afraid of being hanged...but except the rich, the poor ones do land up in jail if they commit crime....moreover in UP ever since akhilesh yedav came to power have you counted how many poeople got killed ??? i call that jungle raj.
I'm not talking about the corrupt system.
My point is anyone in India can kill any fellow citizen without being afraid of capital punishment. He will, at most spend around 10 years in jail. Still no gunda raj generates only because of that.
The crime rate is depending more on other factors like poverty, development, restrictions on living imposed by the society etc.....
just becos anyone can kill a fellow citizen without being afraid of capital punishment....we dont go around doing that becos we have better things to do. none of us get excited at the prospect of spending 10 yrs in jail either. But those who does kill anyways, needs to be given strictest punishment.
Giving stricter punishments, do you expect to lower the crime rate?
If it was so, it would have increased when the supreme court decided to give capital punishment to only the rarest of the rare case.
i'm only bothered about the guilt getting punished...rest whether crime gets decreased or not we'll see, but anyone commiting crime shuld be punished thats it.
Me too agree with that. But at what level will be a point for discussion.
But punishing a person won't prevent another person from doing the same crime.
lets see, 1. India prohibits bonded /forced labor through the Bonded Labor Abolition Act, the Child Labor Act, and the Juvenile Justice Act , their prescribed penalties — a maximum of three years in prison —are not sufficiently stringent. And not enforced.2. We have strong law for human trafficking-- ranging from seven years’ to life imprisonment -- no enforcement again.3. We see rape cases on daily basis on TV, it doesnt mean crime has increased, but ppl are now coming forward for justice, Why? Formerly Victims were victimized, evidences were tempered, now That the new law 'Anti-rape bill" has seen the light of the day, "Justice delayed is justice denied" might decrease, How is it possible, bcause the law is stringent, public is more aware.
well in case 2. where more restriction/ strong law= no impact, Crime is still booming.
case 3. Stronger law/ more restrictions = Impact is yet to be seen but I am guessing or hoping for a +ve Impact.
case 1. wo bhagwan bharose hai!!
Conclusion--- I guess better enforcement, sensitization is necessary, at the same time some laws needs sufficiently stringiness, awareness and all will decrease the crime rate. IMO.
Punishing one person may not stop others to commit the same crime but punishing 5 persons (who are guilty), and not delayed justice, if it stops even one person to commit the same crime then it's worth it because everyone in scared, (human race is another name for cowards). It will take time but crime rate will decrease. Just like the digitization will not show it's effects now but in 5-7 years, heck yeah!! 
@Ankita, motto should be to stop a single crime to perpetrate. for that utmost vygyl is needed, stringent law may not be able to deter hardcore criminals. our system to check them must improve.
Its a very broad topic, First we have to understand what is crime and how to recognise it, Law or restriction becomes secondary.
Meaningful and Updated Restrictions = Accurate recognition of crime
I will give example to this:
In 2012 cartoonist Assem Trivedi was arrested on the basis of "Sedition", "Sediton" was a law imposed by the british to criminalize any person who spoke against them. But India is a democracy (hypocracy should have been appropiate) and every Citizen has the right to speak, so "Sedition" should have been automatically dropped, but our Govt's are lazy and we have kept outdated laws until now.
In the example you cited, you too demand for lesser restriction (ie revoking sedition law). That's exactly my point also.
I am not demanding for lesser law, I am demanding appropriate, accurate and updated laws.
How could we deal with 21st - 22nd centrury crimes with 18th century laws?
As I have already said in another topic, Saudi Arabia may be the country with strictest laws. Still people commmit crimes.
More than twenty people are killed out of the total 26 million (less than total population of Kerala) till date, this year
In India, the situation, unfortunately is "More restrictions. Lesser Punishments".
you cant compare saudi which has religious sharia laws....they'll behead you if you sneak a bible into mecca and all those kinda stupid crappy laws exist. we are not a religious state, so situation is different, our laws can never be as absurd as saudi laws even if they are strict.
Its basic human tendency to live free. When people are suppressed (like compelled to wear a helmet), the suppression will go off one day.
For example, at any good college, they won't have a security at gate. Nobody bothers who comes into and goes out of the campus. The office of HODs are always open (though shelves are locked). No uniform. Politics allowed. Yet no problems.
That means lesser restrictions = Happy Campus. Similar is the case with society.
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